By: Larissa | October 3, 2014 | (48) Comments

discussing through midnight

This meme was created for YA Midnight Reads as a discussion post of all things bookish.

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As a lot of you are YA bloggers, I’m sure almost all of you have experienced or witnessed the stigma of YA before.

“You read that?”

“Surely, you’d like something with more depth.”

“You’re reading YA? You must be reading something to do with vampires.”

YA has been definitely given a bad reputation over the years. It’s been called mindless, devoid of any deep meaning, arbitrary, fluff, mindless and even not “real” literature. I think some of this stems from the fact that a few more popular YA books have been written that may not set the best standard and example of YA. Some people see these books and immediately think all  of YA must be as bad as the example. I think this thinking is definitely flawed, because how can one book truly define an whole genre? It really doesn’t make any sense of all to rule out the possibility of greatness in YA due to one book. Even though it doesn’t make sense, I feel like that’s what a lot of critics due. They read one bad example of YA and then go on to ostracize the entire genre.

It also puts brings another issue to light: the negative perception of teenagers. If it wasn’t enough that there’s a few popular negative examples of YA, there’s the whole concept that it’s marketed towards teens. That we’re all a bunch of uncultured hooligans who are nothing but hormonal troublemakers. It sounds truly laughable when you think consider that stereotype, right? Again, we’re judging an whole age group based on a few bad eggs. Still this perception is still believed by some and ingrained in the media. There’s just some things that teenagers wouldn’t understand you know. That’s why they have YA and we have adult fiction. It’s a truly pretentious way of thinking.

I do understand the separation between the adult and YA genres and why it exists. Obviously certain books are marketed to certain age groups based on what the target would be interested. So, a book where a 64 year old deals with her failing marriage may not as be relatable to a teen than say a book revolving around a teen who is in highschool and struggling. There’s just issues that certain age groups are able to connect to better and that makes sense. What doesn’t make sense to me is why one age group would look down on another or consider one to be on a lower intellectual level. There’s more fluffy and less emotionally complex novels in both genres so why does one genre get judged for being meaningless?

As I’ve read a lot of YA, I can truly say that the greatness does definitely exist in the genre and often times doesn’t receive the attention it deserves. YA isn’t all about sparkly vampires, it can touch on some deep and meaningful issues just like adult fiction. Simon vs. The Homo-Sapien’s Agenda  deals with sexuality within the complete scrutiny of  those closest to you, Wanderlove  deals with a girl who finds herself through travel and Before I Fall  takes you on a bittersweet realization of what you may be leaving behind. All of these books are dealing with complex (and dare I say it) adult themes and issues. The genre of YA is actually full of meaning and is worthwhile. I just listed three books randomly that  I’ve marked as read on Goodreads. It goes without saying that there’s so many more young adult books out there that deal with serious emotions and issues.

I read young adult because I can not only relate to it but because the genre truly has a lot of well written books. In my mind it’s clear that YA authors deserve just as much praise as those who write adult fiction. The publishing process is the same and I definitely don’t believe that one is easier than the other. Writing is a difficult task, no doubt about it. I appreciate every writer out there for their creative minds and works. That’s why the fact that some young adult authors have been faced with the stigma of YA boggles my mind. I would just like to let any authors who may be reading this know: you’re amazing at what you do. You have strung words together into something really beautiful. Your work is definitely “real” literature to me and many others. Don’t feel discouraged by the negativity.

I hope that none of the readers of this blog feel ashamed for reading YA due to the stigma. You should never be ashamed for being passionate about something, whether it be young adult fiction or watching Disney movies over and over. If it makes you happy, then great! Please do continue to enjoy the things you love and know, that while there may be judgmental people out there, at YA Midnight Reads you’ll never be judged on what you love.

Have you ever felt the stigma of YA/been judged for reading YA?

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Larissa was born and still is living in the land of ice, snow and maple syrup. She's 18 years old and really has no idea what to do with her life lately. Larissa's plans are constantly changing--though there’s one thing has remained constant throughout her seventeen years, and that’s reading. It takes her to another world and puts her into impossible situations and that’s why she loves it so much.

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48 Responses to Discussing Through Midnight (45): The Stigma Surrounding YA

  1. Kelly says:

    As a young adult reader in my thirties, you can’t help but feel that so much of the angst is towards adult readers. We were also once teenagers, and when I was a teen, there wasn’t the abundance of titles young adult has now, so I didn’t bother to read at all. My issue with all these genre bashing articles is that what business is it of theirs? None. I think adults who read young adult are targeted because most of us are probably in a better financial position to support the genre, buying more, supporting more authors and if you’re a struggling author who writes erotica or adult fiction, it feels as though it’s partly bitterness that we choose to spend our money elsewhere. I read young adult because I choose to, and I’ll be f*cked if anyone is going to tell me I can’t.

    Brilliant article Larissa <3
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    • Larissa says:

      That’s definitely true! Ugh, those genre bashing articles were my inspiration for this post. I totally agree, IT’S YOUR OWN CHOICE TO READ WHATEVER YOUR HEART DESIRES. It should just be arbitrary what genre its from. Just as long as you’re reading it should considered a great thing. I don’t see why this genre bashing is a thing.

      Thank you Kelly <33

  2. FABULOUS POST, LARISSA! Truly. You’ve put everything down into words. It boggles me when articles arise (as they do) every now and again, belittling those who read YA. Things like there’s a certain AGE requirement and nonsense like that, but it’s all bull. I don’t get it. We’re all reading fabulous words, ideas, themes etc. presented out by people who have some great talent. AND it doesn’t matter how much something is WORTH because I believe that with each thing we read, we’re gaining something, you know? Good or bad, it’s an experience to put under the belt. I read an array of things. YA urban fantasy, or adult urban fantasy, at heart they’re the same thing. Sure, I notice a difference but the difference always brings another touch. So I’m totally with you–I just don’t understand what’s so seemingly “unsubstantial” about YA? It’s got some great stuff that deals with some tough topics and some quality imaginative tales. And I like how the language used is a tad more relative to our vernacular. It’s relatable. I think this comment now just sounds detached and probably makes little fluid sense so I’ll leave it here. Perhaps I’ll just say, A+ post, Larissa. You nailed it.
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    • Larissa says:

      Awww thank you Jess! (: I’m glad that I was able to sum up my feelings in a way that was fairly comprehensible haha. Those articles were definitely my inspiration for this post. Essentially this post was my response to all of the judgement. Age really is but a number when it comes to the enjoyment of reading omg. It’s definitely bull and there shouldn’t be any arbitrary labels which police our enjoyment.

      I agree that every book has SOMETHING to offer, even if the reading experience was negative. I read a variety of genres and I got to say, I’m not ashamed of any. Why should I be? I do notice a few differences but that doesn’t make one genre better than the other.

      You explained yourself well Jess, no need to worry. Thank you for the lovely compliments and comment <33

  3. YES YES YESSSSSS! This post pin points EVERYTHING I’ve recently been thinking about the outlook of YA (I’ve been wondering if I should start a feature of sorts on it)!! Larissa, you are obviously The Queen of Reading Minds, I SALUTE YOU! 😉

    My Mother is very proud of how much I read and likes to tell people what a big reader I am, but I do get the feeling that she doesn’t really think YA is “real” and has an opinion of it’s trashy – which to be honest SOME is, but you get that with EVERY fiction genre, wherever it’s Adult, NA, MG, WHATEVER. I do think the YA book covers have a big influence on the non YA reader, as some ARE quite trashy, but that doesn’t make the insides of the said book bad!

    Frabjous post, Larissa!! 😀
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    • Larissa says:

      I’m glad this post made sense to you and echoed what you were thinking c: It’s been something lately that’s been bothering me too. You should start a feature Ella! I would definitely read it and comment. Hahaha! Never got the title of reading minds before but now I shall wear it with pride[;

      Ugh yeah >.< I can see why the stereotype of YA being trashy exists but it still enrages me that people take one look at a bad book in a genre and dismiss it entirely. I love some covers in YA, others not so much. Judgement of covers is something I admit to doing though, can't help it haha. I'm working on it though. Thank you Ella <33

  4. I do feel as though sometimes I’m looked down on. I wander in the childrens section of the library, because that’s where the young adult novels are and when you’re being stared at by the parents of 5 year olds, it’s a little unnerving because I’m just looking and they’re scrutinising me like I just murdered a cat and disembowelled it in front of them. I enjoy reading YA – granted, there are some YA that feel too young for me, but there’s been an awful lot that have been entertaining, beautiful, have taught me tough, deep lessons and have made me reflect upon myself, gosh, Thirteen Reasons Why made me actually seek help for my depression. Books are books, no matter what. Would people say that a child reading the Secret Seven books isn’t learning, it’s taking lessons from the story, that it isn’t educational in any way? My god, some people frustrate me, but I will not stop reading YA. I am 20, I am a young adult, let me read what I want. Great post though Larissa, sorry for my slight rant there..
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    • Larissa says:

      Yeah, I think a lot of us have been in the position where we’ve felt looked down on one time or another. Yeah I can bet that scrutinizing would throw you off and would feel down right horrible. I do agree that some YA is juvenile, but there’s just so many more novels out there that feel more mature. I’ve never heard anything about Thirteen Reasons Why before but I’ve heard so much praise and it truly seems like an emotional read. The fact it had such an effect on your life PROVES that YA is not just arbitrary. I’m so glad that this ignorant judgment hasn’t prevented you from enjoying YA.

      Thank you Amanda and it’s most definitely okay <33

  5. Melanie says:

    YES. This post *preach*

    I read a lot of YA, but the problem is my school is a bit of a nerdy one and some of my friends love adult fiction and classics and they think YA is full of shit because the first thing that comes to mind when I start talking about my latest fav YA book, is Twilight. I get so pissed off because not all YA is crappy like that and you cannot simply go judging one of the largest book genre ever by the shittiest of them all. It just doesn’t work that way. And besides, YA addresses so many important topics and I do feel they address them better than the adult novels occasionally, in my view.

    And have you read the appalling articles that have been popping up on some sites about how adults shouldn’t be reading YA? They’re full of crap, those people who say that adults shouldn’t be reading YA. You’re basically criticizing the author for writing YA because they’re adults. I mean, calling something YA isn’t saying NO ADULTS ALLOWED. It’s like labelling something ‘fantasy’ and saying IF YOU DON’T LIKE FANTASY, EFF OFF BECAUSE YOU CAN’T READ THIS. It’s simply a label telling you what to expect, it’s not saying who is allowed to read the book. It’s just giving you an idea of what to expect.

    Bravo Larissa, this post is bloody awesome and the world should read it.

    • Larissa says:

      Yeah I feel you. I think classics have their merit, I mean they’re classics for a reason. However I don’t think that gives people the right to diss books that aren’t classics. Lol yes, I casually alluded to Twilight in this post. You’re definitely right on how unfair it is that people judge ALLLLLLLLLL of YA on one book

      YES. Those articles are the ones that inspired this post actually. It’s horrible and basically they insult everybody who reads and writes YA. You’re totally correct about the labels, they’re to inform but not instruct.

      Thank you so much Mel <3333

  6. Rachel says:

    I guess it would be different for me to feel judged by reading YA because I’m a grown woman, but I do enjoy YA from time to time. I used to read YA exclusively, but I got a little tired of it, and now I’m almost exclusively reading adult. I agree there is a wide variety of YA, a lot of it quality, and I don’t think anyone should look down on anyone else for anything they read. Great post! 🙂
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    • Larissa says:

      Yeah that’s another facet of it, adults who read YA. I feel like those people get judged as well. I’m glad you enjoyed this comment and thank you so much for commenting <33

  7. One of the benefits of getting older is that you care less & less about what other peeps’ think, so I know that there’s a stigma around YA, but I personally couldn’t give a rat’s butt. I’m going to read what I want, when I want, judge away you haters! But, don’t get mad when I tell you where to stick it. LOL
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    • Larissa says:

      That’s true! I already feel that way myself, older I get the more I feel secure in doing my own thing. Glad that you are so confident and loving YA and not caring about what anybody may think.

  8. Great discussion post. I have read countless books that are so smart and sophisitacated that I struggle with them being labeled as YA for instance Grave Mercy and Dark Triumph so complex and terrific, should be read by everyone. The I Hunt Killers trilogy is phenomenal and definitely very mature and then there is the Daughter of Smoke and Bone series labeled YA in the US but throughout the rest of the world marketed as Adult. A great book is a great book regardless of the genre.
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    • Larissa says:

      Thank you Heidi! (: Yeah, I’ve certainly read some YA books that are so mature and well written that they could definitely be classified as adult too. You gave some really great examples of some of those books. I totally agree that genre shouldn’t be factored into a quality that makes a good book.

  9. I like that you noted that all age groups have fluffy, cute books. It’s true. And at the same time, every age group has books that deal with tougher issues or are just written well.
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    • Larissa says:

      Yeah! I’ve definitely see cute and fluffy chick lit books in adult too (: All genres are diverse and I think people need to understand it’s not just YA that has lighter material

  10. I’m very happy that I don’t feel this stigma in real life. Everyone always supports me when it comes to my passion of reading and I even get my sister to read a book every now and then. I do stumble on those stupid judging articles on the internet every now and then – and of course when it blows up on Twitter, haha. There are bad YA books, just like there are bad Adult books. I’m really letting go off all the negative bis, because I couldn’t care less how other people feel about YA books. I love them, that’s all that matters 🙂
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    • Larissa says:

      Me too! Yet anyway, this post was inspired by others’ experiences and a few articles. That’s awesome that you have a nice support system going on. Lol Twitter definitely does blow things up [; Yeah there’s always going to be those bad books, no matter what the genre is. Woooo! So glad that you’re not caring what others feel and just focusing on what you like (:

  11. Lovely post, and yes I read YA, granted I also read NA, and Adult and believe me there are awesome novels with depth in all of them, and some equally bad books. I hate labels.
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    • Larissa says:

      Thank you girl! Ooooo, I haven’t really thought of the stigma of reading NA before but I bet it must be something that definitely exists. Labels are so annoying >.<

  12. My friend from work always referred to the books I was reading as kids books. Pissed me off. Of course she had never read any YA books herself which was worse. I don’t care how old I am (28), I’ll always love YA books!
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    • Larissa says:

      That’s so condescending omg >.< Like no 3 year old would be reading YA omg. I'm glad that you're still reading (and are proud of) YA. Keep on rocking girl c:

  13. Lauren says:

    What a wonderful post! I can’t stand literary snobbery, particularly at a time when YA is read by so many adults. Luckily I surround myself with people who also tend to love a good story, in whatever form it comes, so I don’t run into it too often. Glad you gals read whatever you want with absolutely no shame – it’s the only way to read! 🙂 Lovely discussion!
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    • Larissa says:

      Awww thank you Lauren. That pretentiousness also drives me crazy hence this post. I’m glad that you run in circles where good literature is loved, despite whatever genre it may be from.

  14. The biggest assumption I’ve noticed is that YA is “girlie” I guess because of Twilight but I’ve had books I like discounted completely because they must be fluffy, girlie books. I’m never ashamed of my reading preference and hope that the nay sayers can find a group of books they love.
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    • Larissa says:

      Yeah I think that assumption does stem from Twilight but also just the fact that the female demographic is what YA is marketed too. I’m glad that you’re not ashamed with what you read and hope you continue this way. I think it shouldn’t matter whatsoever what genre I read from, just as long as I enjoy it.

  15. “If it makes you happy, then great!” <– THIS THOUGH. You are so right! You are so marvellous, Larissa! I COMPLETELY AGREE. When I was at orchestra someone asked me once what my favourite book was, and I get so flustered at that question because it’s freaking impossible so I just said, “The Hunger Games”. (I do love it a LOT, just I’m never sure what my entirely top favourite book is.) And they’re like, “Oh that’s awful! The kids killing kids book? You don’t like that surely.” And I just stood there like…NOW WHAT? Duh I just said I liked it and you obviously haven’t read it and how dare you judge me like that and YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. I’m so socially awkward I think I just kind of did the awkward smile and scuttled away. But it really hurt. 😐 I hate it when people judge, especially in a really IN YOUR FACE way. I still have no idea if I should’ve defended the book? Or, like, I don’t even know. *hides in the corner* I am not ashamed of liking YA. I’m ashamed of humans who judge people for doing what they want.

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    • Larissa says:

      Thank you Cait <33 You're also quite marvelous [;

      That sounds so infuriating omg. That question really is impossible to answer btw. But the fact they judged you on The Hunger freaking Games?! The obviously don't know what they're on about because that book is loved by so many. That's so awkward though that they clearly knew you enjoyed the book and went on to judge you for it omg. I bet it hurt girl!

  16. YES!! Everything you said, yes.

    I get so annoyed when I tell people I read YA and they say, “kids books?” or “you mean like Twilight?” I usually just roll my eyes and say, “Yeah, something like that.” LOL I’ll never be too old to read YA, or to admit to reading it. 😉
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    • Larissa says:

      Those judgments are all too common and completely infuriating. LOL I would so roll my eyes too. I’m glad that you’re so comfortable with your love of YA. I likely will continue to admit it easily too.

  17. Zoe N. says:

    YES TO ALL OF THIS! There have been quite a few posts about this, especially after the Slate article released a little while back, and I completely agree with everything you’ve said here. Reading is about entertainment and diving into new worlds and seeing things in a way you’ve never seen them before. Why does it matter if it’s YA or not YA? I think the problem is that adults who don’t know any better think that YA is “mindless” and “lacks depth;” and teens think adult books are “overcomplicated” and “superficial.” One age group does not necessarily have to be better than the other, does it? They all have fantastic books, meh books, and downright horrible books; so who are we to judge? I think any reading is better than no reading in any case, right?

    Thanks for sharing Larissa, and, as always, FABULOUS discussion! <3
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    • Larissa says:

      Yeah this post was inspired by those articles and what I’ve heard as happened to others. I totally agree with your definition of reading and to me the genre is basically meaningless as long as you enjoyed the story. I think we all need to drop these labels from our minds and just read. We need to stop judging others for not being like us.

      Thank you Zoe <33

  18. Valerie says:

    AWESOME POST LARISSA~~~

    Anyways, I haven’t gotten any verbal feedback on what I’ve been reading, but I always subconsciously feel like someone is judging me from afar. Or when I check out books at the library that are YA. I really hate how there’s this whole “These are the only books you can read for your age group” thing going on, and I definitely feel like some of the books representing YA should NOT be representing YA as a whole!!! But I would never let it get to me. Screw the people that think that way.
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    • Larissa says:

      THANKS VAL~~~~

      Yeah I know what you mean with that ~silent judging~ It’s a thing I swear :p Ugh yeah, those restrictions annoy me so much. I’ll read whatever I want, no matter what the book is about or the intended age market. Yeah girl! ~~~

  19. Okay, well, I don’t think I’ve personally been told anything against the fact that I read YA, but that’s probably because I’m fifteen (with the looks of a ten year old) and people around me are just shocked that I read at all (since I used to never read full-length novels until I was twelve). BUT I am still really happy that you posted this. Everyone should be able to read what they want, and no one should call you “immature” or “childish” for reading something intended for younger readers. Hell, I still love “The Very Hungry Caterpillar,” and it’s a book for toddlers. I just hate how people have to stereotype the YA genre AND the people who read from it. Come on, I’ve read tons of NA and adult books that seem less meaningful and tactful than some of the YA books I’ve read. -_-

    Fantastic post, Larissa. <33
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    • Larissa says:

      Yeah I’ve never been told directly to my face but think I’ve got that silent judging going, but I’ve definitely have heard of others’ experiences. Haha I’m glad you’re now a part of that reading thing. Yeah, it really is frustrating that this stigma exists and that it can make some people feel so inferior.

      Thank you Aimee <33

  20. Wow, wonderful post Larissa, you definitely captured the issues around YA and also the perception of teenagers in the public’s mind. I totally agree YA offers some fantastic things that are relatable for not only teenagers, but for all of its readers as well. Whenever someone judges what I read I just assign the fact to lack of knowledge or understanding about the area. They usually relate it to “Oh Twilight?” But then I throw out names like The Fault in Our Stars and Divergent and they usually are more willing to appreciate the genre.
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    • Larissa says:

      Thank you Jeann <33 I really think these issues exist and it's important for them to be brought to light. There's so much that YA does offer and to see people casually dismiss it truly is so frustrating. Yeah, I wish there were more well done YA novels that were extremely popular. Maybe it would change that stigma of YA

  21. It is too bad when people see YA in that way. I love all book genres, I just don’t like bad books. Why someone would think it’s YA that’s bad and not the book itself is beyond me. I have read so many amazing YA books that I couldn’t imagine not having them in my life.
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    • Larissa says:

      It really is sad /: Yeah YA is so important to me that when others dismiss based on ONE book it really does anger me. The genre is so full of promise and seeing it tossed to the side is the worst.

  22. Yes! We get judged enough for being teenagers. Throw in reading about them? Everyone goes ape shit. I’m totally over it now though! I mean, I have fun reading YA. I love being able to connect and relate to something that I can understand. Even if the story is completely crazy, I feel like the emotional level is always there. 😀
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    • Larissa says:

      Haha as a seventeen year old I definitely agree. Reading is such a positive thing and to see judgement surrounding WHAT we’re reading is defeating the purpose and makes things even more hard. I definitely agree with you Laura.

  23. Lily says:

    I always hated the stigma that comes with reading YA. Granted, I am only seventeen so it hasn’t been all that bad but I still do get looks like “really?” From older men and woman who don’t understand why imm reading YA. I always find it so absurd because I read everything, sometimes I read adult books or classics and yeah, most of the time i revolt back to YA but I’m a very cultured reader and there isn’t anything wrong with YA. It’s good and fun and pretty insightful. Just because it’s covers are more girly I should be embarrassed about what I’m reading? *shakes head*
    There are terrible YA books but there are also terrible adult books. It’s just life and fact.

    • Larissa says:

      Yeah it’s truly infuriating. I’m seventeen so I haven’t experienced the brunt of it either but it definitely exists. There really is nothing wrong with YA and I wish people weren’t so judgmental that they would assume there is something wrong. There’s terrible things everywhere

  24. Wonderfully said! I am not ashamed to read YA even though I am an adult. I am so sick of these posts that come out bashing adults for reading YA, especially when the writers haven’t picked up a single YA novel, just pulled the most popular titles out of the air. There are so many well-written, deep YA novels out there. There will always be people who want to tear something apart just because it is big and successful, but no matter what anyone says, there is always going to be a hugh readership for YA.
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